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Ep. 24 / The Global Shift in Christian Mission ► William D. Taylor

• Host Brian Stiller • Season 1 • Episode 24

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What does Christian mission look like in today's rapidly changing world? Bill Taylor draws from 60 years of cross-cultural ministry experience to paint a compelling picture of global transformation.

The numbers tell a remarkable story: evangelicals have grown from 90 million in 1960 to over 600 million today. As the former director of the World Evangelical Alliance's Missions Commission, Taylor witnessed this expansion firsthand while helping shape its direction. He vividly recalls how Jim Elliott's martyrdom and famous words—"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose"—sparked his lifelong calling.

Taylor challenges outdated colonial missionary paradigms, describing today's reality as "from everywhere to everywhere." Filipino believers ministering in the UAE, African congregations planting churches in Europe, and Latin American missionaries serving worldwide illustrate this dramatic shift. This changing landscape demands Western Christians reassess their role while maintaining meaningful engagement.

With prophetic insight, Taylor addresses the false dichotomy between humanitarian work and gospel proclamation. Looking to Jesus's ministry, he demonstrates how compassion, justice, proclamation, community-building, and even persecution form an integrated whole. He worries that social media and ideological currents are undermining Christ's uniqueness among younger generations globally.

Taylor's leadership philosophy, detailed in his book "Leading from Below," offers a counterpoint to climb-the-ladder approaches. Through experiences spanning the pre-digital age to today's smartphone-saturated world, he advocates following Jesus's servant path rather than pursuing prominence. For mission-minded believers, he emphasizes the essential role of deepened spirituality to sustain long-term commitment through inevitable challenges.

What will mission look like in the decades ahead? Join this conversation to discover how your story might connect with God's global mission movement. 

Learn more with Bill Taylor through his website and Facebook. 

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Brian Stiller:

Hello and welcome to Evangelical 360. I'm your host, Brian Stiller, and I'm pleased to share with you another conversation with leaders, changemakers and influencers impacting Christian life around the world. We'd love for you to be a part of the podcast. Share this episode by using hashtag Evangelical360 and join on the conversation on YouTube. My guest today is Bill Taylor, an experienced missionary and missiologist, whose new book Leading from Below examines past and present changes in Christian mission all around the world. For many in secular society, the very notion of being a missionary goes against the contemporary sensibility to not bother others with what we believe. But, as Bill helps us to understand, being on mission is crucial to the Christian life, is crucial to the Christian life. While we must continue to learn from and correct past mistakes and misadventures, the good news is that there are renewed ways evangelicals can faithfully engage in the global mission of Jesus Christ. Join me as we learn from Bill Taylor. Bill Taylor, such a joy to have you with us today on Evangelical 360.

Bill Taylor:

Well, thank you, Brian. I've looked forward to this for a long time, and you and I go back decades into our semi-youth, so it's just great to be able to converse about things that are still very important to both of us.

Brian Stiller:

Bill, we're of the same generation and when I look at the stats over the 20th century, you and I have been living during a time when at least the evangelical church has grown. Incredibly, the stats are in 1960, there were about 90 million and today over 600 million, and during that time you have been leading the major commission of missions for the World Evangelical Alliance. But during this period of our life, what has caused this enormous explosion of faith and the activity of missions? What's been at the heart of that?

Bill Taylor:

Well, I'm honestly not sure. I would start with mystery. I can't figure it out. Some would say well, it's the triumph of the Western missionary movement. Siam sends missionaries to the Sudan interior, and then we end up with SIM, the largest evangelical, second Anglicans in Nigeria, with a huge missionary vision and enterprise.

Bill Taylor:

I look at the mission that my parents went out with in 1938, and then my wife and I went out in that same agency 30 years later. Well, in Latin America there's a denomination. In Guatemala alone there's about 1,500 churches that are related to this independent church-planting evangelistic movement. And so I think, in the final analysis, it's the triumph of God, in spite of and I think the scenario today is very different from my parents, but it's increasingly different from when Yvonne and I went out. My wife was only 23 years old when we went to Latin America, and I'm just saying, honey, forgive me for doing that to you, but I have been privileged, especially in, well, in my case, 60 years of cross-cultural mission, to see a movement that's global, and the more immigration, the more refugees, the more migration, the more global it becomes exploded, and one of the encounters was with Jim Elliott and him and his colleagues being killed in South America.

Brian Stiller:

What was that for you and your wife, beginning as a missionary enterprise in your own vocation? How was that arranged by the Spirit out of the lives and the death of these missionaries?

Bill Taylor:

I was a teenage kid in Guatemala and I heard shortwave radio that these five missionaries there was no radio silence. And then the next day I find out that they've been massacred. And then Elizabeth Elliot writes the first book, through Gates of Splendor. And so when my wife and I began dating, we read the Life of Jim Elliot. It was one of those crazy things. We're on a date and we would read sections of it. But here's the thing, and we would read sections of it.

Bill Taylor:

But here's the thing when I met Yvonne and she came from a very high Episcopalian background in the city of Dallas her mother became a believer in her 40s. Yvonne had come to faith through an evangelical neighbor, but this whole religiosity was put under wraps for a long time until she was a junior in high school. But she had an encounter with God somewhere in that pilgrimage of junior senior year where, with no context, brian as mine, of a missionary background she said I'll do anything, I'll go anywhere, I'll pay any price. So when I came into the picture, the prior question was already resolved with her and she said I love you, I want to be your wife, I'll go with you wherever you go. And it was reading those books that caught us. Now as I go back and read them, there's a touch of hagiography in those early books by Elizabeth Elliot where the li that these men had died. And now I continue researching Elizabeth Eliot's life because she's a remarkable woman who still makes people think.

Bill Taylor:

But I think it was Jim Eliot's phrase. That was the one sort of slogan. What is it? He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. We thought of putting that on the inside of our wedding rings, but it was too long. But I was raised with slogans go. The Great Commission was go. It was evangelization, it was proclamation. And frankly, it wasn't until I'm a young adult and studying at Dallas Seminary that I realized the heart of the Great Commission is transformational discipleship and going is assumed. So in those early years I think that missionary leadership touched me, biographies touched me, slogans came and went and they still have their place. I'm not living the slogans came and went and they still have their place. I'm not living the slogans.

Brian Stiller:

It seems that within our generation and the explosion of missions that happened in the post-colonial era, while many would say that missions were simply an outgrowth of colonialism, in our experience this passion to go anywhere was heart and soul to the notion of mission. As a missiologist, did we lose that, or is there simply a different impulse that drives people into mission today as compared to our generation?

Bill Taylor:

Well, I think it depends on where we live, because I was just corresponding earlier this morning with a Latin American missiologist friend of mine, walter Mullen, who's also a poet. He writes sonnets. But he was a pastor and then God brought him into the Comibam Latin America missionary movement and then he studied at All Nations Christian College. So today I call David a missiologist, but he's only one of countless numbers of women and men that are thinking seriously about what does it mean to be the people of God and take the message of Jesus into every sector of society and every cultural womb that might exist? So when I was being shaped theologically or missiologically let's take three years at Moody Brian I was an immature kid. When I went to Moody I was 17 years old. My first year I majored in ping pong because I was pretty good at that. I have very, very few concrete memories because, simply, it took me at least three years to wake up. And then God took me from Moody into the secular universities and into varsity, brought a robust thinking of evangelism, and then from there I go to seminary and that's when things seriously begin to change.

Bill Taylor:

But back then we did not read anything by an African, an Asian or a Latin American missiologist, because maybe they weren't there or maybe they didn't have the mechanisms to publish. Samuel Escobar, rené Padilla, emilio Antonio Núñez, pedro Arana Quiroz were four Latin Americans who shaped me missiologically. But it's harder for them to get published and that's why, in my 30 years of the World Evangelical Alliance, I purposed to publish the unpublished voices, and if our agenda were global issues, we wanted global voices. So I think, as I look at it today, there are, I mean, in my mind. There are, I mean, in my mind. I see Africans, I see South Africans, asians, latins from the Caribbean, the South Pacific, middle East, who are making me think missiologically and my missiology is much more robust as well as I think more biblical, because they see differently.

Brian Stiller:

Bill, historically the mission movement was really from the West European, north American to other parts of the world Africa, latin America, asia and so forth but today that seems to be turning so that it isn't just us sending to the rest, but the world contributing. How did that come about?

Bill Taylor:

It's intriguing, brian, and I've thought of this for many years. In the beginning it was not so when you trace, where did the apostles go? Well, we don't know for sure, but tradition and legend says that. Well, luke and Mark ended up in what would today be Egypt, or up the Nile. Paul, we know, it seems that he went to Spain. Thomas, it seems very evident that he went to India. So from the beginning there was this spreading out.

Bill Taylor:

But when we studied church history it was only the Western narrative. So at what point in my life do I discover the Nestorian church and missionary movement that's based out of what today would be generally Iran and Iraq, would be generally Iran and Iraq, and they went all the way to China, maybe to Japan. There were some theological issues with the Nestorian understanding of the person of Christ, but the missionary story was taken to the East. But we did not learn that. It was Thomas Oden's African contribution to global Christianity that woke me up on that one. So I think today my friends from the global South do not like that phrase from the West. To the rest.

Bill Taylor:

I'm in this discussion right now with my Guatemalan missiologist, david Ruiz. Do we use majority world when we're talking in Spanish, or do we use global south? Well, el mundo de la mayoría. It's a little bulky, but sur global is more pithy. So we're opting for global south. But that wasn't my decision. But that wasn't my decision, that was his decision. So now we would say, from everywhere to everywhere and I think that's the beauty and the genius and the power of the triumph of God in Christ to the power of the Spirit that this enterprise is truly global and that means that the Western missionary movement and church has to adjust to that and that's something that's very much in progress.

Brian Stiller:

And how is the Western church adjusting to other countries that are doing mission work in ours? So you have missionaries from Africa, from Korea, active here, from the Philippines active here in our country.

Bill Taylor:

Yeah, you know the Evangelical Alliance of the UAE. When you look at the photographs, nine out of ten of them are Filipino pastors, because of the vast tens of thousands of Filipinos that are working in the service industries or even in technology. And so the Philippine missionary movement, years ago, began a program to equip international contract workers to be not only good at cleaning and servicing and cooking, but also how do we share Christ with us. Home that we stayed, there were two Filipino women that had worked in the Middle East, and the stories that they told of living Jesus were just phenomenal. For example, they get a job, they arrive one, two suitcases. The first thing they pull out of the suitcase is a picture of Jesus. If they're Roman Catholic, it'd probably be the crucified Jesus. If they're evangelical, just some portrait of Christ or maybe just a cross. And so from the very beginning, a seed is embedded to the heart of your question.

Bill Taylor:

I think a lot of people in the West, let's say Europe, north America, australia, new Zealand gets drawn into that package. I think there are at least three possible attitudes. One, since it's cheaper to support a Native missionary, let's let them do the job, and then we have a very prominent Asian leader who speaks about native missionaries and then the rest of us are colonial missionaries. Well, that's a reverse discrimination, adverse discrimination. So I hear in the States indirectly that pastors will say well, you know, since the natives or the nationals are doing it, let's just focus on short-term missions. But what concerns me most in the United States is the silent pulpit about God's heart for the whole world. And the fact is that the landscape I mean you in Canada, you know that very, very well the number of refugees or legal or illegal immigrants. You know we're facing that in the United States. But God has his mysteries on that one too.

Bill Taylor:

I was speaking at a Spanish church in Austin some years ago and the worship lasted about an hour and a half and I expected that. And then I'm introduced and I say you know, I'd like to know how many of you came to the United States this way. No, no, this way that we're just crossing the bridge or flying. It's a code for legal. So about half of them raised their hands. I said that means that's the rest of you came this way. So we had a good laugh.

Bill Taylor:

Then I asked how many, when you came to this country either this way or this way came to faith in Christ here in this country, and half of them raised their hands. I say you see, you came fleeing a bad marriage or a brutal husband or a political violence or the drug gangs or whatever, but God brought you because he wanted you to come to know Jesus. There are now in Austin, I don't know, there are hundreds of Hispanic churches, and then the outreach to the immigrants from Bhutan, from Republic of Congo. So if the Western nations do not adjust, they're going to miss out with a phenomenal blessing of God. What does it mean to partner with our sisters and brothers who are engaged in the same heart for the people who do not know Jesus?

Brian Stiller:

same heart for the people who do not know Jesus. Bill, let me go to an issue that has surfaced over the centuries and that's the kind of the bifurcation of the message. You and I know that 20th century organizations like World Vision and others they grew out of people who were evangelizing in other countries, as happened with World Vision and others. They grew out of people who were evangelizing in other countries, as happened with World Vision in South Korea. To what degree does missions end up being humanitarian work over against being the simple telling of Jesus or teaching people the Bible? How have missions landed in your view and in your experience?

Bill Taylor:

Well, I think we're in a I don't know if the word crisis, or confusion, or uncertainty, maybe it's all of those when I was growing up as a child of missionaries, the task was evangelism, and so the Great Commission was go, and I remember memorizing these songs go, go, go go. These Western mission entities who had that driving vision knew that hospitals were needed and were doors to the hearts of people. It's the Protestant conversionary movement that was convinced that languages, the Scripture, has to be translated into languages, and then people need to be taught to read, and the first book that's published is the Bible. So there's literacy, a whole phalanx of what we would call today humanitarian interests, but they were essential to the gospel, essential to the gospel. Now, early on, the question is is a Christian hospital in Nigeria a bridge to the gospel or a result of the gospel? I don't know. It's both, it's both. So the criticism that the Western missionary movement was not interested in integral mission or in the lives of the people and their concerns, that's a crock, frankly. Now, what's happening today, brian, is more subtle, and I think it is a dangerous bifurcation of young adults energized by older adults who know how to organize structures, say the task is justice and compassion, and that's the need, not gospel and church, need not gospel and church. The young adult celebrations or college student celebrations that happen at the end of the year Urbana or the Passion, or before the International House of Prayer, ihop in Kansas City. They would bring in 10,000, 20,000 young adults, but then there would be one meal where they would fast, and that money is going to go to World Vision in South Africa or Zimbabwe, or there are HIV aid packages that we're going to put together, and so they fast and they sacrifice.

Bill Taylor:

But is there more? And I think part of the problem, brian, is that we haven't learned what Jesus did, or the Apostles. The first miracle is a miracle of healing that leads to the preaching. So there you have compassion, justice merged with gospel and the community of Christ. And so in my own case, brian, I have returned more to Luke, chapter 4, when Jesus comes from the temptation and he's in Nazareth and he takes up in the synagogue the scroll and reads from Isaiah, and I think that that is our Lord's great commission for himself. And so there you have compassion, you have justice, but the good news is preached and the focus on building the community of Jesus' followers.

Bill Taylor:

And then there's a fifth component that, frankly, I have picked up in more recent study, and that's persecution. So I think, if mission is going to be what God wants it to be, yes, we need to be concerned about issues of compassion and justice, but don't bifurcate, don't dichotomize. That's a simplistic reductionism. But then we need to think about this fifth item, which is now a global phenomenon, and that's persecution.

Bill Taylor:

So I think a lot of my younger friends are really sold out on the justice and compassion, but Jesus is singular. There's nobody like him. I mean, if it's a choice between Coca Cola and Pepsi, well, I will choose Coke because Coke is singular. Is Coke unique? No, it's not unique. Is Jesus singular? Is he just the better of the options or is there no one like him? He's unique and it's tough to argue the uniqueness of Christ to a younger generation that's been shaped by a new kind of religious pluralism and almost a fundamentalist secularism. So I am committed to both. My wife and I support all five of these things because I think that's what God calls us to do and it's a false dichotomy that we cannot allow to take the ground.

Brian Stiller:

Bill, you've been involved in missions both as a missionary yourself, you and your wife, in Guatemala, and then you headed up the Missions Commission of the World Evangelical Alliance for a number of years, so you've got a pretty good panoramic view of where the mission of the church is today and how we have done over the last few decades. So give me your best shot at where we are today.

Bill Taylor:

I think in the West and in the more globalized social media connectivity around the world which would be, let's say, in Latin America, it would be the university student world where TikTok, the very in Guatemala there are I forget if it's 9 million people and there are 11 million smartphones, so 2 million have two of them. When you buy the cheapest smartphone in Guatemala, it comes with WhatsApp, it comes with Facebook, it comes with TikTok, it comes with TikTok, and WhatsApp is the communications media really, around the world, but certainly in Latin America and Africa. The ideological undermining of the uniqueness of Jesus Christ is a very serious virus that is affecting our younger generations around the world, and so that's calling for a new kind of being the people of God or a new kind of telling the story of Jesus less propositional, less four spiritual laws and more a story. I've been trying to learn new ways to talk to people about Jesus. I haven't used the four spiritual laws in God knows how many years because there are propositions. I've tried it in Spanish and it just doesn't work in narrative oral cultures With my apologies to those who have been blessed by it and I have used it well, but I think that what we're seeing in Latin America.

Bill Taylor:

Let's take the country of Honduras or Guatemala. Honduras is the one that comes to mind. 20 years ago, overwhelming majority Roman Catholic 30 years ago. Today the Catholics are a minority. Evangelicals are a majority in the sociological categories of surveys of census. In Costa Rica, the national census some years ago was very intriguing because it asked what religion are you Roman Catholic, evangelical, muslim? Now Islam is coming in or something else? And then they asked what were you? And 10% of the people said I am a former evangelical. Now that's a very disturbing category and what we see in Latin America, particularly in countries where the evangelical gospel or churches are numerically as strong, is as it's very difficult to find any impact on the society. It's very, very difficult. If Guatemala is about 46 Protestant or evangelical, 46 Roman Catholic, is there evidence of the power of God to change the culture? No, because if the military aren't converted and if the top rich 1% aren't converted, the nation will not change. So ethics is private, but it doesn't change the society. So I think a concern that I have from the West is this new pluralism, or I'm spiritual but not religious kind of thing.

Bill Taylor:

In some countries of Latin America which I know the most it would be nominal evangelical. Ironically, churches, their greatest attendance is the Sunday that serves Holy Communion, because they don't want to miss out on the special benefits of only that Sunday. So I'm going to the fifth Comey Bomb Latin America, spain, portugal Congress of Missions in Panama this end of this next month and I'm going to be listening. It's the first of the four congresses that I don't have anything to do, so I'm just going to have fun meeting friends, old friends, sitting talking but then asking questions, because I'm going to take that week as a school where Bill Taylor is going to go back to school to say what's happening in Latin America. Mission for 20 years and then another 10 as a senior mentor.

Bill Taylor:

When I started, brian, in June of 1986, I had no idea what I was doing. I had no idea what World Evangelical Fellowship at that time was. And it's about that time that I met you and I said, well, here's an articulate Canadian more or less my age and I better sit close to him because he knows what this thing is all about. And so I grew like crazy. But I started as an activist and in 1999, I became a reflective practitioner and I came out of that.

Bill Taylor:

Iguazu, brazil. Consultation on missiology. For the first time in my life I self-identified as a missiologist. I'd never done that before. But I'm more a reflective practitioner and that's how I want to read the world. So I'm concerned globally. I'm concerned in this country, the United States. The percentage of evangelical population, which is defined so differently, depending if it's a Barna, a Pew study or a federal government study. The definitions are different. I don't know who to believe. I tend to opt for the lowest percentage. I think that's closer to the truth, not the happy we're winning percentage. So I'm concerned. I'm going to be 85 this year and I'm deeply concerned and I'm saying, lord, I don't have a voice, a public voice, to speak. But my friend David Ruiz, in a meeting a few years ago with some guys that I was mentoring leaders in Latin America, he gave a prophetic word to me. He said, guillermo, bill, he said you must change your voice or your tongue for a pen. And God's calling on you now is not to speak but is to write.

Brian Stiller:

Bill, what would you say to a young Bill Taylor, a Gen Z today, who is very much interested in allowing their life to be used in the service of Christ? And they have a global interest? What are the three things you would suggest they need to consider as they plan their future?

Bill Taylor:

There's an event that's happening with Mission Nexus here in the US and the title is Is Gen Z the Future of Missions? So what would I say to a Gen Z, bill Taylor, who has this proclivity, this passion, this tendency? I would say, bill, I'm going to be 85 years old, but I want you to know how much I admire you, how much I respect you because you're going against the current, because you're going against the current Number two. You must deepen your spirituality, because stuff is going to happen, especially if you stick with this for a longer term. And there's a spirituality that sort of motivates you and gets you to the field.

Bill Taylor:

And then stuff happens. Plans don't work out, you have a conflict with leadership, you're on the brink of being an attrition statistic. And where in the Sam Hill is God now? And that's when that second level of spirituality has to kick in, which is the call for endurance, and it's to study the scriptures on suffering. And then, brian, I think there's a third spirituality that I'm trying to understand at my age. It's the spirituality that I end up with. It's the spirituality that I end up with. You know, I have a lot of prayer requests that God hasn't answered and I can still weep over them, but at the end of the day it's not my power to bring about those changes. It's disappointment with God. It's in my 50s, in the middle of spirituality, finally demythologizing in my missionary family.

Bill Taylor:

So I would say to the young Bill Taylor you've got to deepen your spirituality. You have to go outside of the common evangelical sources and beware of anybody who says if you want to be a leader, you can be good, but here are the steps to being great. So I would say, when you arrive in your area of ministry, realize that you are a learner, but also realize that God has put you there. Therefore you have something to give. I think those are three things, maybe a bit scattered. One I'm encouraged by you, bill. Scattered One I'm encouraged by you, bill. I'm so glad to know you. I hope I live till I'm 100 so I can follow you for 16 years and pray for you. And then you've got to work on your spirituality.

Brian Stiller:

Bill, I was struck by one of the things that you had learned out of leadership. In your book Leading from Below, you said measure your mentors by how they model the style of Jesus. So attach yourself to mentors and find those who model in their lives Jesus of the Scriptures.

Bill Taylor:

When my son, david, said the second half of this bigger book that's for family only, a different voice comes out. It's the voice of somebody who did not think he would be a leader, did not seek leadership, did not ask for it, but it came to him and he didn't turn it down. And then, eventually, it changed you and then you became a leader. But what kind of a leader did I want to be? To be honest, brian, I don't think I reflected on that until the last 10 years, because I'm looking back on my life. Leading from below is leading according to the path of Jesus. Instead of being good to great, good to great, it's following the path to the cross, and the people that have had the deepest impact on my life are marked by the wounds of the cross. Wounds because of their own faults and their own mistakes, wounds brought on by others, wounds from life, wounds from God. It pleased the Lord to bruise his servant, not because the servant was disobedient, but Jesus learned suffering. And the other thing about leading from below is that it's collegial. You know, in all my years with the exception of two years on the faculty, at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School I've raised my own support. I still do. You know what that's like. You're sort of at the mercy of the generous people of God who you hope stay with you. You're sort of at the mercy of the generous people of God who you hope stay with you.

Bill Taylor:

But in all of my leadership I was working with people who could have been defined as entrepreneurs have money, will travel. I didn't have to raise their support. Therefore I did not have hierarchical authority over them. It was more here's a dream I have. Can you help me shape it? How do we need to change this dream? And then the question would you join me? And I had the unique gift, brian, and I'm thinking of three people who said can I join you? And they became key members of the staff team. I didn't recruit them, but they were friends who somehow captured a vision.

Brian Stiller:

Bill, it's been an enormous pleasure of having you here today. We have just touched bits and pieces of this remarkable autobiographical treatise of yours called Leading from Below below, and I would encourage you, my listeners, to find that book and treat yourself to the life and the ministry of Bill Taylor and his family and his leadership globally. Bill, thanks again for being with us today.

Bill Taylor:

Well, thank you, brian, for being a friend over the many, many decades. You were the first person I saw with a portable computer and I remember asking you is that a computer? Was it a Toshiba? I don't know what brand it was, but just to let you know. There are things that stick in my mind. And it was you with that computer. I think it was in Singapore. So it's a high honor to know you and to be counted as a friend and a colleague and I want you to know that that is entirely mutual. Thank you so much for letting me converse with you. In Spanish we would say estas ideas despeinadas, which in English means these uncombed ideas, just sort of flow. But it's been a joy, thank you. I hope we can do this again.

Brian Stiller:

Thank you, bill, for joining us today and providing us with a renewed understanding of what Christian mission is and how we can live it out faithfully today, and thank you for being a part of the podcast. Be sure to share this episode, use hashtag Evangelical360, and join in the conversation on YouTube. If you'd like to learn more about today's guest, check out the show notes for links and info, and if you haven't already received my free e-book and newsletter, go to brianstillercom. Thanks again, until next time.

Bill Taylor:

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